[01:13:20 AM] Drupal: ftacademy.org/
[01:13:56 AM] Wordpress power, the WP site itself: wordpress.org/
[01:14:02 AM] I don’t have any preference. Just want not so hard edition (content edition) and easy user navigation (find things easily for the newbie)
[01:14:05 AM] is that a blog my friends??
[01:14:23 AM] Yaco: you can’t reorder page layout if you use wordpress
[01:14:42 AM] reorder page layout?
[01:14:47 AM] what do you mean?
[01:14:57 AM] change layour between pages?
[01:15:09 AM] one layout per page you mean?
[01:15:59 AM] Example: ftacademy.org/ have sections: “FTA news”, “upcoming events”, and main image
[01:16:10 AM] you can’t reorder them without coding
[01:16:17 AM] in wordpress
[01:16:33 AM] you can do it with templates
[01:16:44 AM] of course thats implies code, but really simple
[01:17:06 AM] i porpose a WP Theme coded from scratch for Synfig
[01:17:16 AM] not take one and start hard coding it
[01:17:18 AM] still, every wordpress site looks like blogroll for me ^^’’
[01:17:39 AM] zelgadis, wordpress.org looks like a blog??
[01:19:01 AM] yaco, can the side bar of word press be dynamically different for each page so you can navigate backwards?
[01:19:28 AM] you mean subpages? breadcumbs?
[01:19:52 AM] yesm some sort of tree
[01:19:59 AM] yeah, you can
[01:20:15 AM] also in Drupal and Joomla
[01:20:23 AM] but will it be hardocded or do I need to call you each time i insert a category?
[01:20:48 AM] no, is dynamic
[01:20:55 AM] I mean can a regular editor like me edit the new page and the backeard links come automatically?
[01:21:02 AM] the only thing that gets hardcoded in WP is the frontpage
[01:21:23 AM] the pages, subpages and so are easy to mantein
[01:21:34 AM] but eventually I can edit the front page too, right?
[01:22:00 AM] wordpress.org don’t look lie a blog. But man, how much efforts they pushed to make this?
[01:22:01 AM] yes, you can edit everything
[01:22:04 AM] waht i mean is
[01:22:16 AM] it depends on the frontpage we choose
[01:22:23 AM] imagine the blender.org in WP
[01:22:34 AM] that frontapage, the contents of the news lists are dynamic
[01:22:38 AM] no
[01:22:46 AM] blender.org IS NOT wp
[01:22:47 AM] the buttons of “current projects” are hardcoded
[01:22:50 AM] uhhh
[01:22:54 AM] i know zelgadis
[01:23:01 AM] i said imagine
[01:23:02 AM] ah
[01:23:30 AM] trying to explain what would be in template code and what is dynamic
[01:23:42 AM] menus, news list, recent forum post, etc
[01:23:44 AM] all dynmic
[01:23:59 AM] zelgadis. look this page: wordpress.org/extend/themes/
[01:24:09 AM] project buttons of the left (like Durian button) is in the template, so in code
[01:24:15 AM] am i clear?
[01:24:42 AM] the side bar changs dynamically (expands) depending on where are you placed
[01:24:47 AM] genete the idea is NOT to use an existing theme… we can create a clean one, exactly what we want and need from scratch
[01:25:08 AM] Yaco, yeah, it is just a showcase
[01:25:31 AM] Yaco can I edit those tree of the sidebar easily ?
[01:25:39 AM] Yes, I messed with wordpress alot. But still my opinion - there is too much work for a coder to adapt it to our needs, while we can get something what already fits better. ^^
[01:25:50 AM] I mean in the link there is a ‘Themes’ branch
[01:26:27 AM] genete all items inside the branch are subpages of Themes
[01:26:39 AM] can I just add a new branch threre by just adding a new page on the ‘Themes’ category?
[01:26:49 AM] you create the pages and subpges easily with the backend
[01:26:59 AM] genete: I can give you access to morevnaproject.org, so you can play with wordpress
[01:27:19 AM] is we want a custom site, some of it will be hardcoded
[01:27:19 AM] To get more clean picture
[01:27:25 AM] in Joomla, WP, Drupal
[01:27:44 AM] the difference is that WP dont include thing that you dont need
[01:27:56 AM] and is easier to understand for newbies
[01:28:19 AM] you can just add two kind of content: post (news) or page (static content)
[01:28:22 AM] Both, I don’t want to have the final word. I’m just a wiki/website monkey. So please select the one that better fits our needs and has easy stupid newbie edition system and the best backward navigation
[01:29:11 AM] genete: amazon.com/WordPress-Dummies … 0470149469
[01:30:00 AM] yaco, amazon.com/Joomla-Dummies-Co … 545&sr=1-1
[01:30:21 AM] If yaco offering his services for wordpress only, and as he willing to ccontributiong in editing website, I have no point to argue.
[01:30:35 AM] hahaha
[01:30:47 AM] im not Wordpress only
[01:31:01 AM] my point is
[01:31:14 AM] do we really need a portal manager like Joomla or Drupal?
[01:31:46 AM] that kind of CMS have a lot of extra functions to integrate blogs, wikis, etc inside
[01:31:54 AM] maybe if what we want…
[01:33:13 AM] current decision is to keep forum with phpbb and wiki with mediawiki for users reason
[01:33:24 AM] AFAIK.
[01:33:43 AM] right
[01:33:46 AM] Zelgadis, what are the cons of wordpress?
[01:34:02 AM] just that it looks like a blog roll?
[01:34:17 AM] yeah. everything is “a page”.
[01:34:38 AM] I.e. if you adding Download page, then you should format it manually
[01:34:50 AM] Poor gallery support
[01:34:51 AM] what’s the alternative for a ‘page’? (I see them all as pages ^^’’)
[01:35:16 AM] yaco, any arge to defend aginst that?
[01:35:32 AM] gallery support and download support
[01:35:33 AM] Well, when you edit download area in Joomla, you just uploading files - less messing with pages
[01:35:53 AM] It’s hard to show gallery roll on the sidebar
[01:36:33 AM] yaco, what’s the problem on use a huge system (drupal, joomla)? maybe inthe future we need them due to we grow!
[01:37:02 AM] do ou have problems (knowledge) with joomla?
[01:37:27 AM] genete: I could setup both to sourceforge, so you can play and compare
[01:37:47 AM] I have a friend in US that has setup a joomla site and if he can WE can!
[01:38:22 AM] Yaco, what about video support
[01:39:02 AM] I mean should we stick to youtube for video tutorials or should we add our content as embedded players with HQ if needed?
[01:39:10 AM] Joomla is not hard
[01:39:13 AM] but is hugh
[01:39:40 AM] Zelgadis, do you have experience with joomla?
[01:39:47 AM] My video choice would be OGG, but i think i will loose that fight here :(
[01:40:01 AM] Yes, I played with it. Not so much as with wordpress, though. ^^
[01:40:34 AM] yaco, it will be ogg. But think that we should offer content for all communities. Not all widnows users knows ogg or can play it
[01:41:09 AM] we could embed ogg video
[01:41:11 AM] ok let’s use:…
[01:41:19 AM] Alternative number 3! Use sourceforge services! ^___^ It has screenshots, download area, …
[01:41:26 AM] HTML5 supports it, there is cortado, VLC and other solutions
[01:41:27 AM] nothing to setup…
[01:41:36 AM] news…
[01:41:36 AM] take a look at the videos of wikipedia
[01:41:44 AM] Woomla!
[01:41:45 AM] you can watch them in any OS
[01:42:11 AM] Yaco, ogg for sure, don’t loose energy on that
[01:43:08 AM] zelgadis, yaco, my friends. Any solution I decide will make sad one and happy other. What to do??
[01:43:24 AM] you won’t make me sad ^___^
[01:43:48 AM] ok take 2 minutes to reflexion
[01:44:10 AM] hahhaa
[01:44:16 AM] me either
[01:44:17 AM] Any solution, I will not jump out.
[01:44:27 AM] i like Joomla, i like more WP
[01:44:32 AM] But everything is ok
[01:44:41 AM] lets go for Joomla
[01:44:53 AM] zelgdis, agree?
[01:45:00 AM] agree
[01:45:17 AM] blame everything on me just in case ^_^
[01:45:22 AM] yaco, I’ll compensate you with a special splash screen
[01:46:07 AM] genete: is it ok to remove support/help?
[01:46:21 AM] right
[01:47:02 AM] zelgadis so we are trying to define the left/right sidebar / navigation bar right?
[01:47:13 AM] yes
[01:47:25 AM] current looks ok for me
[01:47:34 AM] as a first draft ^^
[01:47:45 AM] It could be corrected on the way
[01:48:11 AM] let me start a new version above
[01:48:34 AM] damn
[01:48:40 AM] i cant read it with these colors
[01:49:17 AM] better that?
[01:49:46 AM] hh
[01:49:47 AM] yes
[01:49:48 AM] thanks
[01:49:49 AM] 4 items?
[01:49:54 AM] wait
[01:50:18 AM] Home at the same level than the other?
[01:50:54 AM] news in the frontpage right?
[01:51:01 AM] like blender site?
[01:51:04 AM] two columns?
[01:51:09 AM] news and forums topic?
[01:51:28 AM] I think news and a permanent small download link button
[01:51:42 AM] I suggest to construct frontpage from parts
[01:51:50 AM] a big one please
[01:51:54 AM] a big button
[01:54:27 AM] haha
[01:54:27 AM] so fun
[01:56:38 AM] yes, I agree with zelgadis
[01:56:48 AM] there are some odd people in the people page
[01:56:59 AM] in fact only four or five still stick there
[01:57:05 AM] i.e. my grandmom
[01:57:08 AM] HALL OF FAME -> Developers and artists that contributed, not community users
[01:57:36 AM] Yaco, so it should be called Contributors
[01:58:00 AM] Contributors is OK?
[01:58:14 AM] Hey, Isn’t we just constructing structure below??
[01:58:38 AM] Anyway, it’s hard to maintain page like People/Contributors
[01:58:54 AM] You never know when to add/remove people
[01:59:07 AM] who left and who will return
[01:59:11 AM] Zelgadis, once created it is easy to maintain. It has to be done in each release
[01:59:21 AM] just add the new ones
[01:59:45 AM] Still, that’s not common IMHO
[02:00:34 AM] i mean, credit list
[02:00:49 AM] it is about synfig, right, so each piece of history is part of the “About”
[02:01:04 AM] Run synfigstudio -> Help -> About? ~^
[02:01:49 AM] no monthly callery
[02:01:54 AM] monthly challenge
[02:01:56 AM] Hey, let’s end up with something simple!
[02:01:59 AM] i know
[02:02:04 AM] General skeleton outline
[02:02:12 AM] hahahaha
[02:02:31 AM] after that we will add everything in place
[02:02:32 AM] I started the new one to make it simple but it seems that 6 hands is difficult to control
[02:02:59 AM] wait a moment please
[02:03:10 AM] don’t start it from scratch again!
[02:03:14 AM] ^^
[02:03:27 AM] ^^’’’
[02:03:41 AM] zelgadis, can change your color?
[02:03:47 AM] something a bit darker
[02:03:50 AM] like orange
[02:04:33 AM] genete: done?
[02:04:44 AM] yeah
[02:04:55 AM] I just want to see a clear side bar
[02:05:01 AM] let’s expand it below
[02:06:37 AM] please do not expand there
[02:06:44 AM] ok
[02:06:46 AM] expand it below
[02:06:56 AM] ok
[02:07:12 AM] do we need Donations?
[02:07:30 AM] probably not now
[02:09:09 AM] PLEASE expand it below
[02:09:25 AM] genete: expand donations?
[02:09:51 AM] you mean include it inside of some other “category”
[02:09:55 AM] ?
[02:09:59 AM] I mean, keep the side bar simple one leve only
[02:10:00 AM] level
[02:10:23 AM] It’s one level
[02:10:31 AM] Join us is much more complex
[02:10:50 AM] I suggest to kil everything related with money/donations
[02:11:13 AM] let’s state the first level first and didcuss what they mean not what is the name of the page it should redirect to
[02:11:33 AM] I’m satisfied with first level as it is now
[02:11:41 AM] Links??
[02:11:51 AM] can we remove decelopment and links from the JOin?
[02:12:56 AM] genete: not understood last question
[02:13:14 AM] I mean, the side bar is one level only
[02:13:26 AM] DEvelopment and Links are second level
[02:13:48 AM] please remove them and expand it below (outside the sidebar area)
[02:13:54 AM] It looks like first for me ^^’’
[02:13:58 AM] plesae be serious
[02:14:08 AM] I’m serious!
[02:14:09 AM] our time is gold
[02:14:43 AM] beter?
[02:14:48 AM] *better
[02:15:02 AM] ok, cool, Yaco, zelgadis, is the first draft of sidebar right?
[02:15:12 AM] I’m satisfied
[02:15:35 AM] I suggest not detalize now
[02:15:42 AM] exaclty
[02:15:50 AM] I want to put some notes about wiki
[02:16:50 AM] ok let’s look the wiki structure
[02:17:21 AM] what’s the difference between user manual and REference?
[02:18:05 AM] zelgadis, those that are below the namespace ‘User Documentation’ are subnamespaces?
[02:18:23 AM] no
[02:18:30 AM] so are they categories?
[02:18:36 AM] Take a look at blender’s writer guide:
[02:19:01 AM] wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta: … ender_Wiki
[02:19:27 AM] and here
[02:19:27 AM] yeah we need a writer documentation namespace too
[02:19:32 AM] wiki.blender.org/index.php/Main_Page
[02:19:47 AM] all we need is to copy their model and do as they do
[02:20:24 AM] but do they use mwdiawiki?
[02:21:02 AM] they do
[02:21:14 AM] and we can use their templates
[02:21:22 AM] including multilanguage ones
[02:21:30 AM] all dark?
[02:21:39 AM] Templates != Themes
[02:22:23 AM] but again, that what are you writing are subnamespaces?
[02:22:41 AM] No. That will be subpages
[02:22:53 AM] Look at adresses at the blender wiki
[02:23:06 AM] so please write them apart. I would like to have clear how many namespaces we have
[02:23:15 AM] 3
[02:23:30 AM] there is no subnamespaces supported by mediawiki
[02:23:42 AM] so what about the categories?
[02:23:59 AM] They will go to organize reference
[02:24:39 AM] And to simplify navigation
[02:24:56 AM] Ok, sorry guys, I have to get some sleep
[02:25:15 AM] no problem
[02:25:35 AM] Probably, I will try to mock up few pages in new wiki - to show how it suppose to be
[02:26:02 AM] ok?
[02:26:45 AM] genete has left