# Waypoints: what could be the future of...?

**URL:** https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944
**Category:** Feature discussions
**Created:** [March 16, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944 "2014-03-16T18:47:24Z")
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### Author: ![d.j.a.y](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/d.j.a.y/32/113_2.png) [@d.j.a.y](https://forums.synfig.org/u/d.j.a.y)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/1 "2014-03-16T18:47:24Z")

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in the synfig bugtracker and forum, waypoints enhancement start to take some space !  
[Feature request 761 - Drag-select multiple waypoints](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/761)  
[Enhancement #193 - New actions for waypoints](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/193)  
[Feature request 228 - Select multiple waypoints easily](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/228)  
[Enhancement #392 - Easier Waypoints Manipulation](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/392)  
[Multi-waypoint deleting thing](http://forums.synfig.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1820&p=22241)  
[Edit Waypoints(keyframe) in Transform Tool panel](http://forums.synfig.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4538&hilit=Waypoint)  
[Navigation button for nex/prev WayPoint](http://forums.synfig.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3158&p=14319&hilit=Waypoint#p14319), [bis and more](http://forums.synfig.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4441&hilit=Waypoint)  
[Labeling Waypoints + Waypoint Grouping](http://forums.synfig.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3150&hilit=Waypoint)  
…

This a little summary to provoke some brainstroming, orientation and maybe choices :

Select many waypoints easily.

- [#762 Select multiple waypoints](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/762) using CTRL key
- [#761 Click and drag a box](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/761) around multiple ones to select them all

Move waypoint easily

- Move waypoint easily, via the arrow keys. Modifier keys : no modifier+arrow: ~1/4 second, shift+arrow: 1 second, Ctrl+arrow: 1 frame.
- Move waypoints of several layers to a different time at once (even if not from same parameter) (see also [#762](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/762))
- When multiple layers selected (or group) and multiple waypoints at same h:m:s:f , modifier-click to display a selector (popup menu?) to select/move only selected waypoint(s)

Navigate through Waypoints

- [Waypoint navigation](http://forums.synfig.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3158&p=14319&hilit=Waypoint#p14319) next prev x1 x5 …x10

Organize Waypoints

- [Group of waypoint](http://forums.synfig.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3150&hilit=Waypoint)
- [Label under waypoints](http://forums.synfig.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3150&hilit=Waypoint)

Display waypoints

- [Show summary](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/763) of all waypoints for current layer.
- [Display](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/267#issuecomment-469740322) waypoints on the Graph panel over the curve.
- Display “static intervals” between two in different color. (“Static interval” is a segment between two waypoints where the value remains unchanged) ([issue #790](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/790)).
- Highlight the associated parameter into the parameters panel when scrolling manually the timeline (also when playing animation has option?) we pass to a waypoint (to catch them easier)
- Tooltips on waypoints to know “who is who” (needed when multiple layers selected (or group))

Edit waypoints

- [Double click waypoint to show properties dialog](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/262)
- Change interpolation mode (of wp) by up/down arrows
- [Waypoint value edition](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/267#issuecomment-469740322) by vertical dragging on Graph panel.
- [Edition of TCB](https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/267#issuecomment-469740322) waypoints using bezier handles on Graph panel
- Waypoint configuration in [tool option panel](https://forums.synfig.org/t/ui-edit-keyframe-in-transform-tool-panel/2641)
- Waypoint edition : using a panel with instant updating ( -1- when selecting a waypoint : waypoint info displayed in panel. -2- changing waypoint parameter from panel direct update, nothing saved before apply ? -3- TCB info active only if TCB interpollation selected)
- [Multi-waypoint deleting](https://forums.synfig.org/t/making-synfig-easier-to-use-brainstorming/1206/89) thing
- Copy and Paste for multiple waypoints a same time

[Shortcuts for waypoints manipulation:](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/392)

- Box Selection mode by pressing “B”,
- Deleting selected waypoints by hitting “X / Ctrl+X / Del”
- Scaling / increasing gaps between waypoints by hitting “S” and moving the mouse, as if we’re scaling a model in Blender (or perhaps have “Scale Tool” for the waypoints themselves).
- Translate and move them across the Time Track, Hitting “G”
- and so one ,

Bugs affecting waypoints

- [Issue 651](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/651) : When shortening keyframe length in Keyframes panel waypoints spills over into the previous keyframe range. (Ready for testing / QA)

What do you think ? new/others ideas i mess ??? …

\<Last edit 2019/03/25\>

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### Author: ![jcome](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/jcome/32/3512_2.png) [@jcome](https://forums.synfig.org/u/jcome)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2014, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/2 "2014-03-17T03:42:59Z")

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the first priority improvement from my point of view is to [align](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/161) (or even further step to [combine](https://forums.synfig.org/t/ui-redesign-params-and-timetrack-panels/1456/1)) Parameter Panel and Time Track Panel.

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### Author: ![Genete](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/genete/32/8_2.png) [@Genete](https://forums.synfig.org/u/Genete)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2014, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/3 "2014-03-19T07:10:46Z")

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> [@d.j.a.y](#):
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> …and be able to edit in non-animate mode again

Currently it is possible to edit the waypoints in not animation mode by two ways:

1. Relative animation. Offset the waypoints by a value.
2. Individual edition of the waypoint values.

Did you miss those two? Ir did I miss something?  
-G

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### Author: ![Genete](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/genete/32/8_2.png) [@Genete](https://forums.synfig.org/u/Genete)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2014, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/4 "2014-03-19T07:13:16Z")

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I would add this:

- Display waypoints on the Graph panel over the curve. Allow waypoint value edition by vertical dragging on this panel.
- Edition of TCB waypoints using bezier handles on Graph panel ![:mrgreen:](https://forums.synfig.org/uploads/default/original/1X/15680453330e74f929b585a237613f0bdf61e069.gif "Mr. Green")  
-G

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### Author: ![KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/konstantindmitriev/32/3_2.png) [@KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/u/KonstantinDmitriev)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/5 "2014-04-05T12:13:49Z")

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Good summary-roadmap. We can offer this as a monthly into our fundraising campaign.

I would add the following:  
Display waypoints:

- Display “static intervals” between two in different color. (“Static interval” is a segment between two waypoints where the value remains unchanged).

This will help to visually understand animation on the timeline.

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### Author: ![rylleman](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/rylleman/32/35_2.png) [@rylleman](https://forums.synfig.org/u/rylleman)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/6 "2014-04-05T14:14:10Z")

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I’m very excited this area finally gets some attention. It’s high up my wishlist. For an efficient workflow it’s absolutely necessary!

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#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/7 "2014-04-05T15:32:45Z")

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Speaking of fundraising I have heard of this awesome site patreon which might be better suited for Synfig funding [patreon.com/](http://www.patreon.com/)

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### Author: ![KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/konstantindmitriev/32/3_2.png) [@KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/u/KonstantinDmitriev)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2014, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/8 "2014-04-06T12:43:50Z")

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> [@John Smith](#):
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> Speaking of fundraising I have heard of this awesome site patreon which might be better suited for Synfig funding [patreon.com/](http://www.patreon.com/)

Hmmm… Not sure about Synfig, but this might be a good option for Morevna. Thank you for the link.

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### Author: ![rylleman](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/rylleman/32/35_2.png) [@rylleman](https://forums.synfig.org/u/rylleman)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/9 "2014-06-24T14:10:29Z")

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I think this bug is quite critical to timeline use and needs to go into the list.

When shortening keyframe length in Keyframes panel waypoints spills over into the previous keyframe range.  
[http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/651](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/651)

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### Author: ![d.j.a.y](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/d.j.a.y/32/113_2.png) [@d.j.a.y](https://forums.synfig.org/u/d.j.a.y)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2014, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/10 "2014-06-26T09:41:54Z")

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> [@rylleman](#):
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> I think this bug is quite critical to timeline use and needs to go into the list.

done

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#### Post date: [October 28, 2014, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/11 "2014-10-28T12:04:33Z")

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New entry added, what do you think ?

Waypoint edition : using a panel with instant updating ( -1- when selecting a waypoint : waypoint info displayed in panel. -2- changing waypoint parameter from panel direct update, nothing saved before apply ? -3- TCB info active only if TCB interpollation selected

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### Author: ![rylleman](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/rylleman/32/35_2.png) [@rylleman](https://forums.synfig.org/u/rylleman)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/12 "2014-11-28T23:31:20Z")

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I think the timeline needs to be development top priority soon. It’s such a central and important part of animation creation and yet so rudimentary in Synfig, selecting waypoints one by one, channel by channel… It’s like trying to run a marathon with crutches…  
Konstantin, how about making it a development priority for fundraising?

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### Author: ![d.j.a.y](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/d.j.a.y/32/113_2.png) [@d.j.a.y](https://forums.synfig.org/u/d.j.a.y)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2014, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/13 "2014-11-29T06:32:41Z")

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> [@rylleman](#):
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> I think the timeline needs to be development top priority soon. It’s such a central and important part of animation creation and yet so rudimentary in Synfig, selecting waypoints one by one, channel by channel… It’s like trying to run a marathon with crutches…  
> Konstantin, how about making it a development priority for fundraising?

I agree that timeline should be rewrited or at least improved a lot (the subject of this thread …) but from my point of view depending of the deepness of the rework we should’nt think that in terms of 1.0 .

Why? because a lot of new feature has already been added to this branch and they need at minimum to be polished and some time to be functional (for example [brush](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/578) still crash after ctrl-z ) and other critical bugs : [color](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/705) [gtk3.14](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/699) [doc save windows](http://www.synfig.org/issues/thebuggenie/synfig/issues/700) …

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While I haven’t animated enough to encounter these bugs yet, I’ll say this word of encouragement - after fighting with the analogous “keyframes” in Adobe Flash Professional for over two years, let me assure you, you don’t have very far to go to surpass them in the usability department. \>.\>

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> [@rylleman](#):
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> Konstantin, how about making it a development priority for fundraising?

Hello, David!  
I don’t think we will sell any new priorities until we stablilze the current features.  
My plan is to try to eliminate all (or at least the most) regressions that we have now, and then release 1.0. I believe after this event we will have a better financing situation.

After the release of 1.0 we will start selling new development priorities.

The list of features to be polished for 1.0:

- Single-WIndow and Gtk3 UI
- Group transformations widget
- Bones / Cutout tools
- Bone distortion
- Sound layer

The following list of features will NOT be subject for polishing for 1.0, but will be available as “experimental features”:

- SFG container
- MyPaint integration
- Frame-by-frame animation tools  
(we will focus on them after 1.0 release)

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#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/16 "2015-07-02T09:21:18Z")

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new entry in display waypoint \* Highlight the associated parameter into the parameters panel when scrolling manually the timeline (also when playing animation has option?) we pass to a waypoint (to catch them easier)

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#### Post date: [April 1, 2016, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/17 "2016-04-01T09:06:17Z")

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new entries:

- Tooltips on waypoints to know “who is who” (needed when multiple layers selected (or group))
- When multiple layers selected (or group) and multiple waypoints at same h:m:s:f , modifier-click to display a selector (popup menu?) to select/move only selected waypoint(s)

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### Author: ![KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/konstantindmitriev/32/3_2.png) [@KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/u/KonstantinDmitriev)
#### Post date: [March 11, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/18 "2019-03-11T11:40:37Z")

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We’ve got into GSoC this year and this topic is in our ideas list. It’s a good time to get a fresh look and give some love to this document! 🙂

My additions:

> <https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/762>

  

> <https://github.com/synfig/synfig/issues/761>

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### Author: ![KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/konstantindmitriev/32/3_2.png) [@KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/u/KonstantinDmitriev)
#### Post date: [March 11, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/19 "2019-03-11T11:42:22Z")

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> [@d.j.a.y](#):
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> - Box Selection mode by pressing “B”,
> - Deleting selected waypoints by hitting “X / Ctrl+X / Del”
> - Scaling / increasing gaps between waypoints by hitting “S” and moving the mouse, as if we’re scaling a model in Blender (or perhaps have “Scale Tool” for the waypoints themselves).
> - Translate and move them across the Time Track, Hitting “G"

We should think more carefully on keybindings - do we really want to blindly mimic Blender’s shortcuts? How about to look what other editors do? (AE, ToonBoom, etc.)

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### Author: ![KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/konstantindmitriev/32/3_2.png) [@KonstantinDmitriev](https://forums.synfig.org/u/KonstantinDmitriev)
#### Post date: [March 11, 2019, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/waypoints-what-could-be-the-future-of/2944/20 "2019-03-11T11:46:54Z")

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I need some help with refreshing this topic: it references some old issues from our old bugtracker. It would be really nice to review them and move to GitHub (admins can take care on updating links in the top post).

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