# Scaling circle with outline

**URL:** https://forums.synfig.org/t/scaling-circle-with-outline/12425
**Category:** Drawing related help
**Created:** [July 30, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/scaling-circle-with-outline/12425 "2021-07-30T19:04:46Z")
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### Author: ![veermetri05](https://forums.synfig.org/user_avatar/forums.synfig.org/veermetri05/32/6904_2.png) [@veermetri05](https://forums.synfig.org/u/veermetri05)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2021, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.synfig.org/t/scaling-circle-with-outline/12425/2 "2021-07-31T02:36:07Z")

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> [@Arturo](#):
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> if I change the radius of a circle drawn in Synfig, the outline doesn’t scale with it?

In Synfig, the outline and the shape (circle, rectangle, star layer, or region layer) are independent of its outlines (outline and advanced outline).

If a shape is region layer. Then the outlines are connected. So when you move the vertex the outline also changes accordingly.

This doesn’t occur with other layers like Circle Layer, Rectangle Layer, Star Layer, because an outline is made up of vertex. And these layers are not made up of vertex but of properties that vary depending on the layer.

> [@Arturo](#):
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> To scale the radius of both layers, I always have to group them and then change the size in the transformation property.

For now, that is the only way you can scale both of them together.

> [@Arturo](#):
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> or simply the radius of shape is not connected with radius of the outline

Yes, that is the reason.

> [@Arturo](#):
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> why can’t I move the origin of the group? If I group circle and its outline, the origin of this group is set to [0;0], not to the middle of both layers.

You can move the center of the group with the handle that is below the green handle (sort of purple color)

![origin](https://forums.synfig.org/uploads/default/original/2X/e/e03fe58c047bc69e934f53afb8cf64e8c8ca8013.gif)

> [@Arturo](#):
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> The only workaround is to always set my shapes to [0;0] origin before grouping, to allocate origin correctly. It’s a bit annoying because sometimes I want to group shapes later when I already placed them in their spots.

I have created a plugin that would set the origin of shapes to the center.  
Here it is

> [@A plugin origin to the center of object](https://forums.synfig.org/t/a-plugin-origin-to-the-center-of-object/12119/2):
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> An update to the plugin ! Now supports group layer centers the group layer origin. [Set the origin to center.zip](https://forums.synfig.org/uploads/short-url/8vaBeg5d1N2t1V3j86ympo9FzRU.zip) (4.1 KB) Now centers all the shapes and group layers origin. If you find any bugs then please tell me, if possible provide the screenshot of error shown if something goes wrong. Or the sif file you are working with. And help would be appreciated.

Synfig can be a really good tool to animate vector animation, everything within the software itself is sufficient to create high quality animations. But Synfig doesn’t feel user friendly, but it has enough potential to create complex animation. [Here are my animation](https://forums.synfig.org/t/animation-in-synfig-micro-animation-by-me-project-files-included/12092) (with files) so that you can see and study them.

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