Great work! All in all great animation, but it’s quit a style breach from the demo. I don’t recall seeing episode 1 and two? I liked the clean style of the demo a lot. Not a big fan of chibi, but that is personal. There seems to be a lack in consistency in the backgrounds: some backgrounds are marvelous, others seem sloppy and unfinished. Some effects, like the light effects are dazzling! The characters that are fully animated in Krita seem to be more detailed than some of their normal bone rigged Synfig counterparts. Sound and editing is top notch.
I don’t get it… It’s the episode number three, but where are the first two? Is this Star Wars or something?
Well, as Russian guy myself I can fully understand the plot and dialogues and it’s… bad. I… I wanted to write a detailed critique but I am afraid to insult artists and developers. In short, this cartoon doesn’t have any “atmosphere”, there’s no soul in it. For example, humor is just incredibly bad (I even skipped some moments) and dialogues are poorly executed. Artists, who do the voices, speak it too willfully, yuck.
And the animation… In the demo we saw a cool vector morphing animation, the thing Synfig was made for, and it was pretty awesome. Here we see some lame bone animation that looks like a cheap flash cartoon. And this is supposed to promote Synfig? Good luck.
Overall… [size=85]so disappointed…[/size]
P.S. Please, don’t ban me!
Hi, soon to be banned one
Sadly most of the development time in the past went to the half finished bone and bone deformation tools and no time was spend on improving real (morphing) vector animation so that you are now getting more bone based animation in the project is logical, I guess. They also seem to go from “Synfig” project to “open source” project which makes the inclusion of Krita frame to frame animation also logical. Maybe time was a factor to abandon morphing or vertex animation, but I think most of the drawings were made in Krita and are not vector but pixel which makes morphing impossible. But I have to agree that I found the first demo I saw more … euh intresting, to say the least.
Even more sadly, the implementation of bone system is still crummy. Like inability to change a shape after you’ve linked it to the skeleton. You can try to change it, but it will produce strange effects, especially if you’re trying to change tangents.
But there’s positive news - the new Cobra engine was tested during production and this means the new stable release is coming soon! I hope it’ll bring some stability improvements, because the current stable one likes to crash a lot on my Windows 10 machine.
I agree. It seems they started to work on bone deformation even before the bone system in itself was stable. As it is now, you can not copy bones, reuse rigged characters and if you make a mistake during rigging you might as well start over cos it is a pain in the behind to simply delete a bone without getting major problems later on. Also in my experience it is almost impossible to rig content that has copies in it, and by that I don’t mean copies from another scene, because reusability in general as in having a library remains very painful in Synfig, but copies from within the same file for instance like hands or feet, without getting major rotation problems. Lets hope the new build will finally bring some speed and stability to the windows version.
I do not think our friend KonstantinDmitriev, to ask your opinion on the episode, and not to criticize negatively.
The only thing you’ll get, is that it stops post news on the forum.
I have not seen it yet, but all I can say is that building a “cartoon” is long and difficult, I already did.
It takes the idea, history, and then put it on the stage, so I’ll just say, we show you what else you can do.
I have made 3 short 20 minute animated movies, dozens of animated commercials and I worked on a pilot episode or two in my time and although that does not make me an expert at all, it did make me realize that animation is very hard and long work for any tiny second that you want to show. Saying that the bone system still is not flawless is not criticism but merely a fact I encounter every day when I try to rig characters and saying that I like the vertex animation of the demo more than the bone animation of the new episode does not mean that the new episode is bad. Just because I don’t like the style does not mean that I don’t think they did a great job and I have said as much. I contribute to this forum, to the wiki and try to throw in a tutorial here and there and I also contributed money to the synfig program more then once. I think that gives me the right to throw in a bone of criticism every now and then.
I’ve seen the episode,
and to answer you directly “Svarov”, not “Synfig Studio” is not what you have seen in the episode.
You’ve seen the “Krita” program “Krita” drawings mostly
“Synfig Studio” made the animation of the images.
Dmitriev uses “Krita” to do the drawings, me I use “Inkscape” and I can tell you that the result is really different.
I use “Synfig Studio” animation, “Inkscape” for the creation of drawings, “Blender” to create 3D view, I also use “Gimp” to retouch images.
So I would say that to create a “good series animated”, it should choose the right program to “create these drawings”.
you are far out of topic…
Our friends are quite experienced Synfigers and animators justifying their feedback with objective comments.
It seems you didn’t fully understand what they were expressing (please always read twice, at least ).
Konstantin is a big guy and I think he will be disappointed for so few
Hello everyone! Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Two months passed by since the release, I was able to get a little breath, dust is settling down and now it’s time to put some clarifications.
BobSynfig, thank you for taking your time on dropping announcement here.
In fact, the Demo was a “demonstration of possibility”, not “demonstration fo the style”. We have ongoing experiments with the style, and let me assure you - they will continue. (In this regard you might want to take a look at Morevna 3D). You have a great opportunity to watch and follow the our style investigations and its evolution. Just sit back and enjoy the show!
We are producing episodes inconsequently.
Ok, now for unhappy ones. Illustrated.
Well, you did skipped some moments? How can you judge and pretend for consistency then?
214 YouTube users are not agree with you. Seriously. prooflink
By this moment Morevna Episode 3 gained (214 + 89)=303 upvotes and (10 + 7)=17 downvotes.
Satisfaction rate is 303/(303+17)*100% = 94,7%
Morevna Demo gained (410 + 66) = 476 upvotes and (41 + 14) = 55 downvotes.
Satisfaction rate is 476/(476 + 55)*100% = 89,6%
Conclusion: Episode 3 is performing better than the demo.
As we used to say in Russia - “Statistic is stubborn thing”.
This is not correct. The bone system was improved with consideration of vector tools - youtube.com/watch?v=NbI6TeAHbgs
EDIT: Also, let me mention, that with the new Cobra engine vector is faster now.
This is also not correct. It is possible change vertices after you linked to skeleton. See the same video at 7:50 - youtu.be/NbI6TeAHbgs?t=7m50s
About the “strange effects” my only guess is that you need to understand that editing shape gives different results depending if Animation Mode is on or off.
If you examine source files of Episode 3, you will notice that in many shots (i.e. shot 64) we are combining bitmap images with vector elements. There are no problems with tangents there.
The situation is worse, than you think.
Initially I was expecting to get support from Synfig community. Unfortunately, this didn’t worked. So, I was forced to delay the release of Episode 3 and invested my personal funds to pay our hired developer for all necessary developments. That way we’ve got tons of bug fixed and got lipsync features by integrating Synfig with Papagayo. But as result I’ve got a major debt and that means I won’t be able to invest in development in the nearest time. The sales of Synfig Training Course are slowly covering the debt for me, but this is a long process.
That means you shouldn’t expect any major development/fixes in the nearest time (well, expect the big memory usage fix). Most likely we will just release current dev version as it is. At the end, it is proven as usable in Morevna production.
Yes, I am absolutely agree and understand you and appreciate your support. The mentioned bugs are very frustrating and annoying. Unfortunately, due to the state of things (described above) I cannot help here now.
What you can do in this situation:
- Post those bugs (each separately) with detailed steps to reproduce to this bugtracker.
- Submit a (small) bounty to Bountysource (as it was done here for memory usage bug).
- Share bounty link and convince other users to join and increase the bounty.
I am sure our (ex)hired developer Ivan Mahonin (the one who was working on Synfig for last 3 years) will be happy to fix the issue for you.
Thank you for the kind words and support, Synme.
Thank You for take this project and upgrade it, even at your expense.
I haven’t seen yet your animation. It’s hard to choose in which subject use my time.
I’d wish it could be a better way to maintain Synfig. How Inkscape is maintained? Or Gimp? Or Blender?. Let me just leave here those questions.
Best wishes to all.
One of the ways to make a donation, I think that those who succeed to make “sold work”, or those who have a “youtube money” account.
Could affect at least a “small percentage” for a donation.
By the way: I create a cartoon, I will soon broadcast on youtube.
Brief me to make easy, and given ideas to the creator here, I have used only of the sound effects, and a few “arrrr mhmhmhmh gnagnagna” this is the kind used on some.
Big cartoon, broadcast in France on television.
Like this: oggy et les cafards
youtube.com/results?search_ … es+cafards
Like this: mölang
youtube.com/results?search_ … %C3%B6lang
Konstantin, thanks for taking time to answer all the comments. I can be rude sometimes and may not like your work, but I appreciate what you do for Synfig.
I’ll consider a donation. Also, I was hoping to write some wiki articles (documentation is another weak spot of Synfig), but not sure when I get free time to do this.
List of sound library and sound effects:
I’ve tested, it’s of good quality.
Such resources should be added to the Wiki